![]() people are, you know, people are in jail for posting these videos, for liking something on facebook. we are done.” and he disbanded a lot of ngos, drove a lot of activists and journalists out of the country. ![]() I let you guys play at opposition politics, at having a free press and having activism and a civil society. what does he mean there? is he speaking in a voluntary capacity layer for domestic consumption we don't understand? ukrainians fought the nas.n ukn putin says he wants to de-nazify ukraine. > stephen: so maybe you explain this to me. he has been consistent about, and now here we are eight years later and trying to make them basically one country. so there is a reason i think he made that joke in 2014, that "better talk fast before they are one country," right? there was already something you were sensing or that you heard about, you know, how he talks about ukraine that made you realize that this is something he might do. i think in his own closed system, he is logically and rationally consistent, and has been over the last 20 years. > stephen: rational self-interest, how about that? > yeah. is he? > i think it depends how you define rational. > stephen: there is a lot of talk about whether he is a rational actor. but also putin is in charge and he does crazy things and he is a big risk taker. ![]() > stephen: is that because russians are fatalistic or have to be fatalistic when you think about russians? > both. that's how you predict what happens with russia.
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